Regardless of whether Apple bows down to pressure on this, it shows you how they think. It’s their phone, not yours. Tim Apple is your daddy and as long as you live under his roof, you live under his rules. And he’s just made it clear he can enter your room whenever he likes and search your drawers. Might be time to think about moving out.

Problem is, where do you go? Do you move in with creepy uncle Google next door? No, he’s even worse.

And your banking app only works on iOS and Android…

…I’m seeing people say “just don’t use an iPhone.” It’s not that simple when everyday things like financial apps with two-factor authentication are locked into the two main platforms.

We need legislation to ensure critical services use open standards so you can use your Pinephone to buy lunch in the future.

It’s shocking how easily some folks jump to “just go live in a cave.” No, that’s not an acceptable alternative. We deserve to partake in modern life without sacrificing our human rights…

…It’s also victim blaming to tell everyday people they’re at fault for using one of the two main tech platforms instead of an (as of yet inaccessible) alternative. (I have two Pinephones and my room overflows open hardware. No, I don’t blame you for using an iPhone or an Android device. You’re the victim here.)

Blame the actual culprits: clueless legislators/policymakers who allow these monopolies to continue and fail to protect our human rights. Blame Big Tech and those who enable it…

…This isn’t about whether Apple backs down on this or not (although that’s important too in the here and now and you should sign this letter to put pressure on them.)

This is a greater struggle to protect personhood in the digital network age. Today, we extend ourselves with technology. Not owning and controlling these aspects of ourselves is a violation of our personhood.



To put it blunt:
Talk is cheap. The only thing that really matters, are your actions.

If you buy another iNarc device after this, your actions show that you don't care about this *enough* to stop buying their stuff. In a capitalist society, where you spend your money is what actually counts.

Most people don't know better or have shown with their actions to not care enough for quite a while (#PrivacyParadox).

For you, I see someone making excuses for themselves to keep buying iNarcs.

@FreePietje And you’re deluded if you think that voting with your wallet will be enough to tackle this issue without constitutional/legislative change.

But sure, man, I’m the real problem here.

I've never said that voting with your wallet is enough. For Apple, the only thing that counts is exactly how you vote with your wallet.

I've also never said that you're the real problem. Because that's our current society where convenience Trumps everything and (most) people show to not actually care about privacy.
I can't and won't blame you for things wrong in society*, but I can hold you account for your own actions.

*) I'm actually grateful that you usually highlight them clearly

I think you are missing an important point, when you claim people do not care about privacy enough: It is not a fair fight between the companies thst offer convenience and the people that advocate for privacy.

Apple and others have millions, if not billions of dollars to spend on political and public advertisements, making their products appear convenient and privacy concerns appear overblown.

@Mopsi @Mr_Teatime
"If you buy another iNarc device" was targeted at Aral, it was not a 'you' in the general sense.

Most people don't (even) have the knowledge about the invasions of privacy. And if they do, they (generally) don't have the (technical) knowledge to switch to something else.
That does not apply to Aral.

Generally: if ppl knowingly chose a slight convenience gain over a massive privacy loss every single time, then they don't actually care about privacy.
IME/IMO that is the case.

I understand.

Still I think Aral has a valid point, when he says that the solution should not be to cut yourself off from the internet and live in the 80ies.

That's like saying, sorry but climate change is coming anyways. Let's stop fighting and just all move to places that are least affected.

Not everybody has the mental and financial means to do that.

@FreePietje @Mr_Teatime
And I think it is actually our task as those with the necessary education and means to change something, to protect those who can't protect themselves.

It is of course your choice how to do that. You can create and promote alternatives, or you can try to gain political influence, or probably a lot of things in between.

@Mopsi @Mr_Teatime
I agree it's up to 'us' to build better alternatives.

I never said or implied that anyone should live as in the 80ies.

Aral lashing out with that shows the hypocrisy of his stance. Day in, day out he complains about how bad capitalism is. But "the world has now fundamentally changed". Why? Because another capitalist corporation shows it doesn't give a crap about privacy?
He portraits Apple as the savior and keeper of human rights.
JFC, give me a break 🙄

@Mopsi @Mr_Teatime
"That's like saying ... climate change is coming anyways. Let's stop fighting ..."

Just like you don't have to go back to the 80ies, there is a middle ground.
You can make choices that do *less* harm. And everyone can make that choice. What that amounts to will differ from person to person and that's fine.

But I do think people have agency and I disagree with portraying everyone as a *completely* helpless victim.
We can (slowly) change society, because we're part of that.

@FreePietje @Mopsi
You're arguing exclusively in terms of extremes: "Either all responsibility rests with individuals or none at all."
To me, both statements are ridiculous.

For everyone who, like you, calls anyone buying Apple products a traitor, there is seomeone saying the same about Android, about Windows, Driving cars, flying, using air conditionong, not having a zero-energy home, buying clothes at H&M or Primark ... it's impossible for any human to comply with all such demands, (...)

@FreePietje @Mopsi even though each of them is justified.

==> By all means, encourage people to do the right thing in every regard, but don't accuse them of not giving a fuck when they would rather change the technical/legal framework to automate that task for everyone. That's way more powerful than individual choices, and Aral is already about as fanatic about it as I can bear :)

Also: I've never had an Apple device and don't want one, but this finger-pointing is really getting on my nerves.

@Mr_Teatime "[...] you, call(s) anyone buying Apple products a traitor"

My use of 'you' in my initial response (to Aral) was ambiguous, so I clarified that I did *not* mean 'you' in the general sense. I don't know how I can make it any clearer.

Me: "there is a middle ground"
You: "You're arguing exclusively in terms of extremes"


Are you intentionally misinterpreting what I said?
It's pretty much the opposite of what I said and *clarified*.


sorry, I read your toots in the wrong order, and didn't bother to correct later...

That said: You were pretty absolute in "if you do X, then you don't care", withoutbregarding what other things he's doing. And your response read as if I'd claimed that individuals had zero responsobility, which I think we both agree is completely wrong.

I think it's best if everyone tries to pull their weight as well as they think they @Mopsi - 1/3


contributions, also if theybdon't take oir favourite form. If you think someone could do more, I should not attack them for the 10% they might be missing but congratulate on the 90% they're doing, and acknowledge that my strategy may not be for everyone.

I am not developing decentralized web services, btw.. I'm just bitching about debate culture on Mastodon, because I think I can contribute more that way :)

@Mopsi - 2/2

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