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Even though is an ethical position, the advantages for the are compelling.
I first became because of the aspects and only after that I got to know the ethical reasons in detail.

The diagrams are from this article: nytimes.com/interactive/2019/0

Reduce the amount of human population and you'll have less consumption.
>How do you want to reduce the amount of human population?
There's no ethical solution to that. The lesser evil choice would be a referendum (not a consultative one) for the countries who would propose to go in the direction of having a birth rate limit in their country. As for the method of selection used the lesser evil would be a random selection for couples who added themselves on a list. This is very risky to do in our context since a lot of governments are all sifting towards authoritarianism.

@mangeurdenuage
I don't think that's a viable solution.

I think raising the standards of living and raising education helps with this problem.
But why not avoid feeding of good food to animals as well ;)

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@VPG

A much simple solution would be for the governments to use soft propaganda through the media, the same way they do with all other topics. If the population is repeatedly told that, for instance, 1 kid is more than enough, through various news articles, etc over the months they'll take it as truth. Another solution is to give social benefit only for the first child - 1/2

@mangeurdenuage @VPG The main problem is not that it'd be hard to reduce the population, it's that the governments won't do it because they all believe in this shit called growth, which inherently requires growth of the population too. - 2/2

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>A much simple solution would be for the governments to use soft propaganda through the media,
Such way is very unethical. It will only be abused, like it's already done today.
>they all believe in this shit called growth, which inherently requires growth of the population too.
I'm aware of that, that's one of the reasons used in countries where the population birth rate is slowing down and they authorize mass immigration in response.

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@VPG

IMHO soft propaganda is way better than other solutions like criminalizing the parents who have many children. Plus, for once it'd be used for a good purpose that actually serves everybody, regardless of species. I don't see that as unethical. It's not the same as the propaganda that depicts protesters/refugees/vegans/feminists/leftists/etc as lesser individuals or flat out terrorists, as is currently the case in France for instance.

>IMHO soft propaganda is way better than other solutions like criminalizing the parents who have many children.
Like I said in my second post it's a lesser evil choice.
Using soft propaganda means that you treat and believe the population as irresponsible children, the more you do that the bigger the probabilities they'll behave as such. That's why I believe it's a greater evil than the solution I proposed.

>Plus, for once it'd be used for a good purpose that actually serves everybody, regardless of species.
In our actual context it won't and it already isn't used correctly. Even what I posted would probably be used badly.

>It's not the same as the propaganda
I disagree, it's the same principal of targeting people's mind without wanting them to have a reflection on it or even choice over it, that's why I proposed referendum.
People learn it's just long, if you treat them as if they can't learn and don't encourage them to do so then the consequences will be negative.
Don't believe and treat people as stupid it leads to "self fulfilling prophecies".

@VPG Can someone please send that milk v milk chart to all the baristas who've been taken in by Oatly's marketing bs and stopped offering soy as an option?

@VPG You talk like "environmentally friendly" and "ethical" are usually opposites, while one is a subset of the other.

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