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it deeply depresses me that me asking if something is troubling or why it's a problem or for an explanation as to why is basically done the same way people wasting time or arguing in bad faith do it. like if i go 'why is master as a git branch name troubling' i'm immediately going in the trash for bad faith arguments when i'm actually trying to learn so i can apply to other things. like is 'master' in other terms bad too? like master chef? i dunno! 1/?

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i can't find any actual articles or people explaining why it's bad so i can or how to look at whether other terms are bad. like i can kind of get that whitelisting/blacklisting is bad but i don't have the tools to know that outside of some news headline like github changing it and others thanking them. i don't know how i'm supposed to be proactive about this. should i just look at anything that could be ambiguous and assume the worst?

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@jookia Bad word bad.
It's PC, nothing more.

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@murks I dunno, if there's a good reason why it's bad then I'm on board.

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@jookia ik this is late and you said you were done w the fedi, but in case anyone was confused, the word "master" is problematic in this case because of the subsequent "slaves". ik when I first got into programming, it made me rly uncomfortable as a black person to be using that kind of language when it hit so close to home. (I personally use "parent/child".)
so, no, "master chef" isn't a huge concern because there's no "slave chefs".

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@lemjamin so where's the slave in git

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@jookia idk I don't use git. I just know the etymology.

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@jookia tbh the proposal of replacing the word master in certain contexts isn't new. ik back in 2014-ish ppl were wondering if there was an alternative to "master bedroom/bathroom" bc it also reminded them of slavery. completely harmless but oh boy some folks got pissed at the thought of changing a word.

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@jookia I think "master" in the case of git and houses is different from your example of "master of a craft", bc in all cases mastering means besting and becoming top dog. with a craft, abused subservients aren't inherently tied to mastering and you may even take on an apprentice to share your ability. becoming a master of a Thing is focused on ownership and control, which is why the link to slavery is so easy to make.

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@jookia I'm not surprised by your confusion tbh. if you're not frequently faced w the history of your family's oppression on the regular, it's not as big a deal when smth reminds you of it. and again it's a rly minor change but the fact ppl are faced w such strong opposition only adds to the pain and strengthens the trigger.

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@lemjamin that makes more than enough sense to me. like i spent the past day or so trying to figure this out and came up with the following reasons to change master/blacklist/whitelist:

1. its not descriptive compared to more neutral terms
2. the use of the word in the context is related to control and triggers the idea of slavery
3. the language itself equates white = good, black = bad
4. it's a trigger for people and upsets them

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@lemjamin but what extremely pisses me off is the reason given on twitter was that it COULD make one person's life better. which could justify anything. reason 4 is only a bit better since it shows some actual harm, and that's a reason i can accept, but it still annoys me because at no point were the actual reasons as to why these things are hurtful were discussed which means i can't be proactive or analyze other words (cont)

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@lemjamin the lack of actually giving some tangible reason as to why something is bad in this case just feels like the antithesis to open source and transparency as well as making decisions. instead i just get a list of bad words and i guess still hurt people for using words that are bad but haven't been revealed to me yet as bad by whoever has the reasoning and doesn't share it

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@lemjamin and to be extremely clear, it's not that i as a white person has to understand or agree with the reasoning. i just want something, ANYTHING other than 'hypothetically it could make one person's live better maybe' and being dropped off a list of words that are bad every now and then unless these 3 words are really all of the words that are problematic in computers and engineering.

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@jookia understood. tbh I couldn't process why someone wouldn't just Know. it seemed obvious From My Perspective which you're right is part of the problem. unfortunately it's exhausting educating when genuine bad faith actors try to undermine talking points by feigning ignorance.
(sidenote the black/whitelist bit is more abt clarity of purpose rather than racial signaling but the underlying "change could help one person" is the same.)

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@lemjamin interesting. i wish bad faith actors didn't ruin it for dumbos like me that just want to know more

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