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theguardian.com/environment/20

What he doesn't mention is that some of the carbon-intensive technologies we need future tech to replace are called "concrete" and "steel".

If the Internet age has taught us anything, it's that "future tech" doesn't magically deliver what society needs.

JW van de Groep (janwillemvandegroep.com/about/), one of NL's foremost climate change pundits, coined the word 'meestribbelen' for this kind of behaviour.

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A literal translation would be "struggle along", but it refers to the practice of participation (even calling it 'climate leadership') while actually having the main goal of protecting one's vested interests.

If enough interest groups/countries participate with this attitude, complete deadlock is the result.

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Throughout the twentieth century, our way of life has changed almost continuously. To state outright that it won't happen this time, that early 21st-century living standards are forever, is a very ahistorical thing to do.

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@michiel ceding to the "he's going to take your burger" emo-controlled politics.

Ceding to "do the same thing, but green". Make your car 1/3 better for the environment, feel better about yourself. Fucking take the bike, train. Go on vacation, nearby, not ferried by aircraft. (like road transport is ~10% or something, but still)

Work less and buy less crap, if you can. Not exactly promoted, why would you do that if rent is high anyway..

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@michiel See stuff like US steel sources bragging about being able to use hydrogen to reduce oxides. Dutch sources say they can do it _now_. And then those assholes won't because it's less green because it's less profitable to store the hydrogen and produce it at peak electricity availability.

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@jasper carbon credits turned out to be a disappointment, but at least the idea acknowledged the fact that some goods are massively underpriced because manufacturers have always been able to ignore externalities, and that fixing this requires a pervasive reshuffling of the production system, e.g. aluminium might be 'cheaper' than steel, all things considered, because of its recyclability. If we substitute aluminium for steel where possible, that's a massive change.

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@jasper and, of course, many aspects of the current economic system that grow GDP without improving our lives in a meaningful way. There are many things today that are 'too expensive' for the average westerner, but we don't typically miss them. There are equally many things we probably wouldn't miss if proper pricing of externalities made them very expensive.

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