@PhoneBoy my country celebrated a national hero - Jan Pietersz. Coen. Except his main 'feat' was intimidating the English by killing about 26000 natives. People were repulsed in the 17th century, but in the 19th, he was chosen as a 'hero'.
When it came to removing his statue, instead the choice was made to change the inscription to explain what he did.
What It’s Like Living in One of the Hottest Cities on Earth—Where It May Soon Be Uninhabitable
« The week before I arrived in Jacobabad, the city had reached a scorching 51.1°C (124°F). Similar temperatures in Sahiwal, in a neighboring province, combined with a power outage, had killed eight babies in a hospital ICU when the air-conditioning cut out. Summer in Sindh province is no joke. People die. »
@ItsJenNotGabby excuse me for sealioning, but I think both sides in this discussion are missing the point: rural people don't matter, because there's so few of you. The vast majority of people live in urban areas. So even if you drive around in big pick-ups all day, you're not to blame for climate change.
Most anti-car sentiment is directed at people who DO have a choice. Because most people do.
@emsenn I'm in a similar situation, but kWh equivalent of my gas bill is about 3000kWh/year, way more than my electric bill. Hot running water is a part of that, but not a lot.
It sounds like NC has a similar climate, but probably more sun in winter. Solar produces nothing in winter up north here.
@emsenn in our (very moderate) climate, heating is still the biggest part of our energy consumption by far, even when used sparingly.
But I hear you about the money/DIY aspects. Every change I investigate to reduce my home's energy consumption is either extremely costly or almost ineffective.
@emsenn this course may be of interest to you: https://www.edx.org/course/zero-energy-design-an-approach-to-make-your-building-sustainable
It seems geared towards architecture students, and may be aimed too squarely at the Dutch case, but there might be some useful info.
" ... radical environmentalism has always been romantic – and romantics were the fiercest critics of Malthus."
- Giorgios Kallis, in Defending limits is not Malthusian
@Tryphon I'm not sure I agree that economic growth is tightly linked to growth in CO2 emissions, but of course I meant to say what you wanted to say.
But it all producers of fossil fuels were to completely cease production tomorrow - probably it would lead to worldwide chaos and bloodshed, but it would solve the emissions problem nicely.
@Tryphon yes and no. Until fossil fuel prices get so low that it becomes unprofitable to pump up oil etc, fossil fuel producing countries and companies could choose to limit production, voluntarily.
This would increase energy prices, slow economic growth - but almost certainly reduce CO2 emissions.
This power is in the hands of a few rich powerful companies and governments. They can stop it at the source, right now. If they want to.
@JordiGH for what it's worth, I thought your message was decent and respectful, and I've been less than impressed with the after the fact anti-Stallman dogpile on Twitter etc.
@mathew the Netherlands uses Metric and British standards, depending on the age of the installation. A 3/8 connector *almost* fits M22 thread. Most electricity screws are M3 or M4, but the older ones are 1/8th BSW. From what I understand the former soviet union has it worst, they use pipe sizes in inches, but they're Prussian inches ...
What's your favorite #StarTrek two-part episode?
(Two or more part, I guess, so folk can answer with the end of DS9 if they'd like.)
Maite Vermeulen: Tien vragen, tien minuten: is er wel een Europees migratiebeleid? https://decorrespondent.nl/10580/tien-vragen-tien-minuten-is-er-wel-een-europees-migratiebeleid/1277080567840-c9f7286e
" ... So it may be impossible to distinguish between people and bots not because the bots have grown as smart as people, but because much of the time, people are as dumb as bots ... "
- Peter Watts on babbling
@borko and bikes are great for some purposes, and utterly useless for others. For meaningful alternatives, context is necessary. 'What do you need this product for'
@emsenn even if that is true (and I've heard people who were climate aware but had some expertise be highly skeptical about that), that still leaves energy. Running a society with high population density on biomass has been tried, in 18th century England. After they cut down all the trees, they started digging for coal, kick-starting the industrial revolution and the fossil fuel industry.
@emsenn this is what worries me. Modern agriculture is an incredibly efficient system. Solar panels and heat pumps are extremely efficient marvels of engineering. And it's all dependant on an incredibly complicated capitalist supply chain. If we currently can't feed or heat nine billion people with these technologies, I shudder at what will happen without them.
@emsenn I think most of the people shouting at Capitalism, then complaining about their late Amazon.com delivery are under the delusion that they're the Victims of capitalism, when actually they're the Perpetrators and (materially, at least) the beneficiaries.
It's likely that whatever happens, these people - including myself - stand to lose from system collapse, and will try to fight it somehow.
@borko I think the discussion is helped by quantifying things. Flying RyanAir might be marginally better for the environment than flying Lufthansa, but that ignores the fact that flying is always terrible, and should be avoided when possible. If you just select the least harmful product within an arbitrary class of equivalent products, nothing changes.
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