Problems we are having with #Signal:
* It is and will remain centralized (clear strategy of *not* federating servers)
* It requires strong identifiers/selectors (phone#) to use
* Author disallows distribution by anyone but Google, although free/libre
* It keeps pushing away verification of fingerprint in interface
* It relies on Google+Amazon infrastructure
* Its funding is shady (OTF = Radio Free Asia = USG)

= clearly unethical choices, unjustifiable by accessibility or technological reasons.

@jz Well it's nice to see the rest of the internet catching up. For a while I seemed to be the only Signal complainer, and that's because not long after it was first released I wanted to try running it myself (including the server side) and then encountered the problems you've listed. There was also a hostile reaction towards LibreSignal.

On the upside, Signal probably is better than WhatsApp or Telegram.

My original complaints:

@bob @jz there is a downloadable apk for signal, but maybe you want to check out – should not have any of the problems you mentioned. 😉

@mray @jz

I've seen deltachat, although havn't used it. My thoughts are that I'd prefer to keep GPG keys intended for email away from Android devices, and I expect the app will need to poll the mail server quite frequently which might not be good for battery.

@bob @jz battery consumption is very moderate. You only need to use the same GPG keys on mobile/desktop if you want to read chat messages inside your regular mail client.

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