Left wing groups stop using facebook properties challenge 2022


@celesteh there are many otherwise decent mutual aid type groups in my town who have become dependent on FB, despite often having indie websites of their own which they neglect as "too much work" to keep updating (they tend to be slow responding to emails as well, but are more often active on FB)


Facebook is great for mutual aid because it simultaneously helps create a desperate need for it while making money off the organising of it!

@celesteh although it cuts off people who rarely use it or have never done so at all (I've never had an FB account in my life and definitely won't start one)

@celesteh TBH one big blocker (at least a few years ago) was the real name policy - I have ESEA (East and SE Asian) ancestry and a widely duplicated name (one Western given name and a Malaysian Chinese surname) so any "real name" social network leads to utter confusion as I am conflated with others (who may even share same hobbies and interests).

Consider the case of Andrew "Bunnie" Huang the electronics hacker, Andrew Huang the synthpop artist and Andrew Huang the music video director 😁

are we getting mutual aid and charity confused? I'm unaware of Facebook having any interaction with #MutalAid which requires those that are helped to be those that have helped, like a fraternal benefits society or a labor union, as opposed to #charity which helps people regardless of former (or future) comitment from the same individuals, like most food banks and homeless shelters. @vfrmedia @celesteh

@fu @celesteh

here in England there's a strong overlap between the two, also on Fedi the term mutual aid is often widely used for things that could also be called "charity" (especially if you are looking into it from the perspective of a faith group). In either case, becoming dependent on Facebook is *not* a good thing (and one thing faith groups do do quite well is reduce this dependency, in my town they all have, *and maintain* their independent web presences)

@vfrmedia @fu

Most synagogues are cautious about what they make available to the general public. Their websites usually have areas only accessible to members, using a proprietary CMS developed for this use case, called Shul Cloud.

If they stream services, though, its very common for them to use Facebook groups for this so as to control who has access to the stream.

Obviously, there's a call here for peertube to support Shul Cloud integration....

@fu @vfrmedia I really thought the irony of Facebook both causing a need for mutual aid and monetising those interactions was obviously bad.

Like this seems obviously evil, but we're surrounded by such mendacity at all times that I guess it seems normal and reasonable.

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