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@djsundog and yet I'm fairly certain you can haul an Apple II out of the garage/storage and (though you might have to fix some elcos that have gone bad in the PSU and maybe replace disk drive belts) it would still boot up and work..

@vfrmedia @djsundog You would have a hard time making it talk to Mastodon, though.

(Anybody working on a OStatus UUCP gateway yet?)

@galaxis @djsundog there is a wider issue that its near impossible to use Mastodon with command line browsers (although I've read about people using emacs(?) plugins(?))

If this can be done then an terminal connection to a serial console of a Linux box (or via SSH if its possible) and an 80 column card in the Apple should work 😁

@vfrmedia @djsundog Well, there are a couple of CLI clients, an IRC gateway, and yes, an Emacs client in the list of known Mastodon clients.

@galaxis @djsundog I've used "toot" (the python client) before (it worked but didn't have a very reliable real time display) but would be interested in any info about the others (real time display of timelines is what I'm most interested in)

@vfrmedia Don't get me wrong, I'd really like to see these phones updated—people who have any device still in working order still need security updates, but—

Comparatively new to what? They're going to be five years old when iOS 11 releases; does anyone update phones that long?

@zigg not everyone in every country has highly subsidised devices from the mobile providers [like we do in UK] - this creates a big attack surface against endusers who genuinely cannot afford to keep upgrading their devices..

@vfrmedia Yeah, definitely, which is why security updates should be available to everyone with any working device… provided, of course, the hardware is capable of defending against whatever attacks are in play. I'd be likely support legislation to that effect, tbh.

@zigg in UK (maybe whole of Europe) a lot of older devices get handed down to older relatives (up to senior age groups) as they can be used with various apps for communication by people who cannot hear/see well.

These often get connected to wifi networks within nursing homes - with security implications for the whole organisation (even a device which isn't accepted to the network but emitting radio signals can cause issues by denial of service)

@vfrmedia Yeah. Like all the other security shortcomings in even new smartphones that are available to lower-income people (in the US, prepaid carriers generally charge full or nearly-full price for a phone), it creates a class issue.

Correction to my original reply, by the way, as I failed in my wikipedia-ing: the 5c will actually be four years old when iOS 11 releases. The 5 is the one that'll be five years old.

@zigg there are many other knock on effects - a "seniors GSM" which isn't a smartphone isn't a big issue at my work (IT manager for senior care homes) but when smarter devices get connected to wifi we have to put in time/resources on security, supporting the residents devices that will push up all residents costs (even those who do not use the devices). On a lighter note it is often like having 5 extra "grandparents" asking you to help them with their new tech 😁

@vfrmedia exactly zero of the apps that I use will be affected.