@digitalcourage The challenge is: Back then, when the web was still "at its roots", it only was available to an *extremely* limited crowd of people that were *highly* skilled in technical aspects. If bringing the web back to its roots means making tech inaccessible again for, like, 95% of its current users, I'm fiercely against that.
@z428 That's not intended. Let's discuss the booklet instead of making guesses based on microposts. The full text is online. /c
@digitalcourage I hope that's not intended. Still I sometimes wonder who is actually representing real "end-user" concerns within structures such as EDRi - right that kind of people that uses Google, Facebook, WhatsApp simply because that's the technology that's available and that works for them.
@z428 Can you please refrain from commenting until after you read the booklet? Thank you. /c
@digitalcourage I actually *did* read it. That's why I asked. From one point, there's not much "new" in there if you're interested in that topic. And it's not very likely to reach much people outside that "bubble" of tech persons interested in things such as privacy, data protection, ... .
@digitalcourage Sure, I don't disagree. But in many of these kinds of discussions, it ends up with technicians being seen as those who come up with the "valid" arguments while marketing or management are the "evil ones" generally trying to do bad stuff. I don't think we will change anything this way, unless we learn to take marketing and management requirements as what they are (requirements) and make sure we can meet them in an ethical way rather than just trying to argue them away. 😉
@z428 @digitalcourage I would stress the opposite argument. What EDRi sums up is correct in the same sense as the demands of unions to pay workers apropriately are correct. But both is wishful thinking in current circumtances. You won't change anything if you don't change the neoliberal way we run our world. What we need is a #cooperative way to run the Internet.
@juh Fully agree but that's just part of the problem as far as I see it. Ads and tracking also are still the predominant way for funding any kind of content found online: Journalism. Documentations. Partially music (see YouTube). We don't just need a cooperative way of running the infrastructure. We need a fair way of funding this kind of content, a fair and sustainable way that goes beyond just being "gratis" as in "no money being charged".
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