Q. Were is the facebook of the #openweb

A. Am being strate with you, no patronizing. Your asking for the wrong thing, and need to think about this :) you can't have what you ask for on the #openweb but you can have something different and better but you need to come to this realization some how. Talking to me might be a step or not :)

@Hamishcampbell Both is way too vague in my opinion as it completely leaves an actual understanding of requirements and needs. πŸ˜‰

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@Hamishcampbell I don't need more info. Comparing the "open web" to a somewhat closed, controlled "walled garden" seems pretty much like comparing an open public space to a small confined club with entry restrictions. Completely different environments, completely different advantages, problems, use cases. πŸ™‚

@z428 your saying the #dotcons are a small club and what remains of the #openweb is a large public garden. This is not how most people see it, but from the perspective of a tech subculture i can see this view too.

The advantages/problems view is obviously a value judgment, your values are comeing from a small tech subculture so can see that too.

Something you aren't seeing that is you can make judgments outside you world view. All real communication is based on this assumption

@Hamishcampbell Well, not really, I guess. Back like 10..15 years ago, there was an "openweb" (web pages, weblogs, trackbacks, RSS, ...), and there was a "small club" as well (authenticated non-public web forums, private mailing lists, ...). That's more what I meant. Ownership (dotcom vs. "open") is a different kind of thing. So far, we pretty often mix these things up and forget about the "openweb" not being *entirely* open in all aspects back then, either.

@z428 That was the #openweb free to create, host and admin your own services and people acturly used them. 95% of people now prefer the #dotcons how did we let this happen in our commertys, who pushed the change in our commertys. Who do we persional know did this, as these sre the people we can directly talk to.

Of course the is a big abstract out there we have little power over and talk about endlessly, the #fashernistas blow stinking gas.

Who is holding a bloody dagger.

@z428 The #openweb was ripped apart by meany forces.

#encryptionists pushing securaty theater broke UI and trust based relationships

#geekproblem narrowed this into a irrelevant subculture.

#fashernistas inbraced the bad in both sides for self intrest, greed and empty fame.

#dotcons privatised data and metadata to the service of profit and social controle. All the above groups played there role in this.

The #openweb is a hollow shell for most people

Reboot #OMN #4opens

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