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Talking sustainability again, for a moment... looking into how long I've been on various platforms: Flickr since 2005, Facebook since 2009, Twitter since 2010, Instagram since 2012 ... and, in between, on a plethora of services and/or instances that didn't last: Diaspora (still working but seems pretty much stalled in terms of development). GNUSocial (mostly gone it seems, at least all instances I used). Same for identi.ca, some pump.io installations, ... . Looking at my contact list, there ...

... are quite some on the "proprietary platforms" that have been around since the beginning of me being there, some of them having grown closer friends, some of them I know in real-life by now. In most of the "open" social networks, this somehow never worked out, there hardly are any long-lasting contacts so far, and/or people one (I) got to know closer. I'm unsure what conclusion to draw from this, but this is something I always keep in mind when thinking about trying to get contacts of ...

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... mine to any new social networks: How long will these networks prevail until they're eventually replaced by the new "hot kid on the block"? What will happen afterwards? Will contacts they make there outlast these networks? Lots of interesting questions to deal with I guess... 🙂

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@z428 Lost many interesting and valuable international contacts when Google+ whent down...

There's no surety in "proprietary platforms", too - they get bought, sold and discontinued based on financial aspects.

Open Source projects live as long as contributors stay motivated to keep them up...

@leftbit Yes, of course. Google+ is also on my list, yet so far the exception from the "rule"(?). And, for whichever reasons, Google+ at least for me never was a place for contacts I *only* had there. I also wasn't stating there's more certainty in proprietary platforms - it merely was about stating personal experience - and a certain disappointment that, then and now, FLOSS community is pretty quick when it comes to writing code but way less ... enthusiastic about coming up with a ...

@z428 iktf. The _only_ constants I have: Own blog + RSS and… IRC 🙄

So yeah I kept track of many contacts over years and network borders but most have:

a.) own site I can keep up with
b.) are reallife contacts too

Others vanished.

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@leftbit ... vision of where we would like to be 10 .. 20 years from now (and how to get there). At this point, we're maybe not worse than proprietary players but we aren't much better either.

@z428 Many FLOSS projects - not all - lack professionality... it's just more interesting to code new features than to fix hard-to-find bugs or to write up-to-date good documentation... so they degrade or die when the key contributors move away.

Proprietary players can throw money at dev teams to keep rotten codebases going, so there's a difference.

@leftbit Couldn't agree more. That's why I think it's so important to focus on "professional FLOSS", especially for social networks. Having to rely upon spare time work done by volunteers has many difficult implications that don't seem really ethical or sustainable on the long run. There seem some approaches to solve this problem, but there still is room for improvement too... including "ugly" fields of work such as project planning or (*cough*) marketing.

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