The #Ecosia is NOT a #privacy and #secure or even a good #search engine, it is only #Microsoft #Bing with a other "green" skin - not more not less 🤷

Go out and plant your own #trees and you have a bigger impact on your environment as a lazy click #activist 🌳 🌲

@kubikpixel Simple question: Do or don't they plant trees? By going out and planting one or few trees, I'll not achieve anything, especially given I am living in a tightly populated city area.

@z428 Look around you and find people who are doing something for environmental protection and species preservation in your area, maybe you can join them. The city is not infinitely large and you can also get to its edge in an environmentally friendly way. You will also be surprised how much nature there is in the city itself and you can possibly contribute.

@kubikpixel Sure, I am doing this. But I can't really find anything bad about something like Ecosia trying to be a low-bareer way to reach users you don't reach any other way. And if they stick to their promises - well why not. Isn't that what we read about fighting climate change everywhere? Every contribution matters, no matter how small?

@z428 this is also only the green part of the surveillance capitalism this grooming your conformation bias.

@kubikpixel Hmm... still I wonder whether the surveillance capitalism is, in general, "greener" than a lot of the technologies that strive for preserving privacy as top priority.

@z428 nope, you'r even was in a server farm ore see any one? some of this have hes own power plant etc. we here not talking about the gray energy this come on the top BTW.


@kubikpixel Yes. And I have seen the way they are able to optimize their hard- and software in order to reduce power consumption, airflow, ... in a way few people or structures with smaller infrastructure are even remotely capable of doing. That's something you can do way easier with *loads* of infrastructure rather than if you just have one or two off-the-shelf servers in some local datacenter. Not even talking about being able to choose where your power supply comes from or what ...

@kubikpixel ... happens to heat. Would be interesting to compare ecologic footprint and energy efficiency of, say, an SME datacenter, small-scale self-hosted infrastructure and a Google/Amazon datacenter, for a moment. If you have data on that - really would be great to read.

@z428 Yes, so far, but the fact that they use their hardware and software more efficiently and thus more energy-efficiently has mainly economic reasons and not ecological ones, the second is simply easier to sell as a story. Don't let yourself be blinded too much.

@kubikpixel Of course. But isn't that how we try to optimize, say, fuel usage by John Doe as well - make it more expensive and provide economic motivation to buy bicycles or use public transport? Sure there's a lot of greenwashing going on here, and still I wonder whether that, in the end, matters if the desired effect is achieved?

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