@Vamp898 Well actually no, in this case it was a typical rolling-release kind of bug - some changed behaviour in either kernel or libinput that caused touchpad and keyboard drivers to crash on some HP laptops - no input sucks on the road. Or login being impossible all of a sudden one day because the latest update set wayland to default. Such things pop up in Debian or Fedora at times, too, but rarely in releases as version changes aren't that big.

@z428
But what can Arch do when GNOME changes to Wayland? And is using a distribution that just doesn't upgrade GNOME really a solution? Is one upgrade every 6 months that breaks everything really better than some small things that can be fixed in seconds here and there?

@Vamp898 Well no, I'm not blaming Arch here. It's just that, knowing I have a release all six months and only (nonbreaking?) security updates in between, things are a little bit more controlled. O usually switched to Ubuntu nightlies halfway between releases which so far was a good balance between stability and current versions. Gonna take a look at Arch again nevertheless.

@z428
But you could also read the release notes before bigger Updates like GNOME, it is a hassle and I personally don't do that do.

I personally have enough experience to deal with everything that can do wrong easily and if you want a good advice.

Learn how Linux works by installing LFS as a seconds system and then switch to your main system to Gentoo.

After 2-3 years you will be able to fix almost everything and won't even notice when something goes wrong as it is such a minor thing

@Vamp898 Been down the LFS way 20 years ago and still know most of the details, though not that familiar anymore with newer facilities such as systemd. These days it's more like using an IDE for software development: I know how to deal with most of the things manually as well, it's just that I don't want to spend that much time on these things anymore. I use Linux on an enterprise laptop simply because most of the time it just works. 🙂

@z428
For the same reason I have an Tuxedo InfinityBook

@Vamp898 Are they worth it? Do they offer some sort of business support? We're on HP so far because our local retailer is a certified service center and can provide us with replacement devices same business day given the need.

@z428
They are awesome, I was surprised. I didn't expected much beside Linux support but they are really good.

They give up to 5 year support but only pickup and return

@Vamp898 Hmmm okay,maybe worth giving it a try one day. HP is actually not too bad but I'm a bit unhappy mostly about the quality of the case. My EliteBook obviously tries to imitate Apple hardware but cover, keyboard and display already look pretty worn-down after four years of heavy use. I expected a bit more given they're not *that* cheap.

@z428 mine is full aluminium, but the best is the keyboard.

Its one of those you don't notice. You sit on it the first time, type and it just feels right.

@Vamp898 Cool. The EliteBook cover tries to look like aluminum but it isn't. That's a problem. Keyboard is okay but it just doesn't look too good. All in all, looking at our sales guys MacBook Air, this looks considerably better being same as old and used even more rough.