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Felix Palmen :freebsd: :c64:<a href="https://bsd.network/@thomasadam" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@thomasadam</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/@peppe" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@peppe</a> Thanks for that! I totally forgot about the decorations topic, which is of course very relevant, it means even jumping through the hoop and implementing a <a href="https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/tags/wayland" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#wayland</a> compositor, you can only deliver part of the functionality (and almost none of the looks) of your window manager.But even with that issue solved, I would really dislike wayland's design. Although I *do* think that most of <a href="https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/tags/X11" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#X11</a> core drawing is obsolete and useless (mostly for the missing alpha channel), I think a display server should offer drawing facilities. Replace X with something dropping lots of cruft (indexed palettes, COMPOUND_TEXT, etc), instead incorporate extensions that everyone needs these days, extend <a href="https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/tags/XRender" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XRender</a> (now as part of core) to offer more drawing primitives, etc ... you could have a replacement for X11 that's worth dealing with. And window managers could still be separate clients.

FratmSo from my experience, <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Wayland" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Wayland</a> on Nvidia is about 99.99% good. I'm still having one strange issue with gaming, some games will randomly lock up,where they never did on X11. I did a lot of research on this, and everything points to the way Wayland hands over full screen control to games, and nvidia doesn't do it quote right.I'm going to stick with Wayland for now, mainly because I'm on fedora 42-beta right now (had the same problems in 41.) and hope drivers fix the issue someday. <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/LinuxGaming" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LinuxGaming</a>

Justine SmithiesAfter having had the same style bar for the past 5+ years I think it's time to change it out for something a little different from my normal white text on a semitransparent black bar. I'm also going to give <a href="https://snac.smithies.me.uk?t=waybar" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Waybar</a> another chance instead of using <a href="https://snac.smithies.me.uk?t=eww" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Eww</a> . <a href="https://snac.smithies.me.uk?t=runbsd" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#RunBSD</a> <a href="https://snac.smithies.me.uk?t=wayland" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Wayland</a> <a href="https://snac.smithies.me.uk?t=freebsd" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FreeBSD</a>

Eduardo Medina¡Hombre, parece que <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Steam" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Steam</a> para <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Linux</a> por fin reescala bien en <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/GNOME" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GNOME</a>! Al menos ahora puedo usar la aplicación con normalidad. Luego ya veremos con los juegos, aunque he añadido el complemento para inhibir el apagado de la pantalla en <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Wayland" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Wayland</a>.

freespiritlinux :debian:GNOME 48 und KDE Plasma 6.3 bieten ein großartiges Wayland-Desktop-Erlebnis auf Ubuntu 25.04 für Linux-Gaming!<a href="https://www.phoronix.com/review/ubuntu-2504-kde-gnome-way" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.phoronix.com/review/ubuntu-2504-kde-gnome-way</a><a href="https://mast.linuxat.de/tags/Gnome" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Gnome</a> <a href="https://mast.linuxat.de/tags/KDE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#KDE</a> <a href="https://mast.linuxat.de/tags/Wayland" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Wayland</a> <a href="https://mast.linuxat.de/tags/Ubuntu" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Ubuntu</a> <a href="https://mast.linuxat.de/tags/linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#linux</a> <a href="https://mast.linuxat.de/tags/opensource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#opensource</a> <a href="https://mast.linuxat.de/tags/foss" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#foss</a> <a href="https://mast.linuxat.de/tags/freiheit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#freiheit</a> <a href="https://mast.linuxat.de/tags/keinmicrosoft" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#keinmicrosoft</a>

TeddyDDDo you feel that modern <a href="https://octodon.social/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Linux</a> is too stable and works too well? Do you miss things not working at random, missing features, games crashing or even not starting at all?I have a solution! Use <a href="https://octodon.social/tags/wayland" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#wayland</a> instead of x11! As a bonus we have assholes who will try to gaslight you into thinking you are holding it wrong way :D Wayland is almost 18 years old and it's still shit.

ArunmozhiSuddenly my computer's monitor has a sort of vibrating feeling when displaying light colors. <a href="https://social.arunmozhi.in/tags/KDE" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#KDE</a> 6.3.3 with <a href="https://social.arunmozhi.in/tags/Wayland" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Wayland</a>. I am not sure it is because of an update issue as it happened in the middle of the day today. Anyone know what's going on? Checked cable and monitor with another laptop. Works fine.

Debacle<a href="https://sonomu.club/@kf" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@kf</a> <a href="https://im-in.space/@boo_" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@boo_</a> <a href="https://fediscience.org/@ericsfraga" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@ericsfraga</a> I would love for <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/EXWM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#EXWM</a> to be <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Wayland" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Wayland</a> 🙂<a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Emacs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Emacs</a> <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/X11" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#X11</a> <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/WindowManager" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#WindowManager</a> <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Xorg" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Xorg</a>

Justine SmithiesHa ! Just built <a href="https://snac.smithies.me.uk?t=labwc" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Labwc</a> from their git repo on <a href="https://snac.smithies.me.uk?t=freebsd" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FreeBSD</a> and it worked like a charm. I expected to hit problems but no. I now have the very latest commit version. <a href="https://snac.smithies.me.uk?t=runbsd" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#RunBSD</a> <a href="https://snac.smithies.me.uk?t=wayland" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Wayland</a> <a href="https://snac.smithies.me.uk?t=windowmanager" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#WindowManager</a>

Justine SmithiesOther than <a href="https://fosstodon.org/users/whynothugo" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@whynothugo@fosstodon.org</a> <a href="https://snac.smithies.me.uk?t=shotman" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Shotman</a> are there any other <a href="https://snac.smithies.me.uk?t=cli" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CLI</a> <a href="https://snac.smithies.me.uk?t=wayland" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Wayland</a> screenshot utilities that will take a screenshot of just the active output and not both? I know you can do this with grim on sway by supplying it with the currently focused output but I want to know about other screenshot CLI clients that actually get that info themselves without requiring the WM to have IPC and so on.

Nick YamaneChromium now has initial, experimental support for the xdg-session-management <a href="https://social.coop/tags/wayland" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#wayland</a> protocol, which will start shipping in canary channel in the coming days. I've implemented and tested it against Mutter 48, the only compositor supporting it atm - also experimentally - since version 47.Quick demo at <a href="https://youtu.be/OG9ZLXzlwkQ" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/OG9ZLXzlwkQ</a><a href="https://social.coop/tags/chromium" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#chromium</a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/wayland" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#wayland</a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#linux</a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/gnome" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#gnome</a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/opensource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#opensource</a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/foss" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#foss</a>

n8 Doesn't follow you 🇺🇦Wayland doesn't do Multihead, does it?<a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/editingforhashtags" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#editingforhashtags</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/wayland" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#wayland</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/xorg" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#xorg</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/x11" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#x11</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/butnotX10thatssomethingelse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#butnotX10thatssomethingelse</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/andIsaythatassomebodywhohadalotofX10equipmentbackintheday" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#andIsaythatassomebodywhohadalotofX10equipmentbackintheday</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/homeautomation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#homeautomation</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/whyareyoustillreadingthis" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#whyareyoustillreadingthis</a>

Robert NasarekOn <a href="https://floss.social/@gnome" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@gnome</a> <a href="https://fedihum.org/tags/wayland" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#wayland</a> <a href="https://fedihum.org/tags/zoom" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#zoom</a> do not support the advanced screenshare option "Portion of screen"... Just in case you searched for it... and misconfigured your graphics and display... and reinstall serveral drivers... and everything went green and yellow, but nothing helps, so you switch to arch and have a new hobby...

Айсылу 🦊после обновления почему-то перестал грузиться Element, выдавая <code>ozone_platform_x11.cc(246)] Missing X server or $DISPLAY</code>. а у меня вообще Wayland. подумала, что дело в том, что оно хочет через иксы запуститьсяпопробовала <code>element-desktop --ozone-platform=wayland</code>, оно сработало. хотела дописать в hyprland.conf этот флаг, где у меня биндинг на запуск Элемента, а потом подумала, типа а не лучше ли со всеми электронными приложениями system-wide это решить, и создала файл <code>~/.config/electron-flags.conf</code>, где прописала<pre><code>--enable-features=WaylandWindowDecorations --ozone-platform-hint=auto </code></pre>Элемент работает, посмотрим, чо остальные будут<a class="hashtag" href="https://suya.place/tag/electron" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Electron</a> <a class="hashtag" href="https://suya.place/tag/wayland" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Wayland</a>

Justine SmithiesStill playing around with <a href="https://snac.smithies.me.uk?t=labwc" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Labwc</a> and although it's a <a href="https://snac.smithies.me.uk?t=wayland" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Wayland</a> stacking window manager that can tile aka snap to edge it can also be totally configured to work with just the keyboard. I'm pretty impressed so far with what can be achieved. If you liked <a href="https://snac.smithies.me.uk?t=openbox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OpenBox</a> then definitely give this a shot as you'll love it.

Felix Palmen :freebsd: :c64:<a href="https://fosstodon.org/@peppe" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@peppe</a> To be clear about that, I don't question the fact that <a href="https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/tags/X11" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#X11</a> is full of old cruft that's mostly useless nowadays. It became more than clear to me while implementing my <a href="https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/tags/xmoji" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#xmoji</a> tool, which uses almost exclusively <a href="https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/tags/XRender" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XRender</a> requests for rendering (an *extension* to X11, not part of the core protocol), because X core drawing requests are really designed for 1990es hardware, supporting color palettes with limited entries, but no alpha channel whatsoever. Similar goes for font support in the X11 core protocol, it's useless supporting only bitmap fonts with no antialiasing etc, so I use client-side rasterizing (with freetype) and XRender only for compositing the result. There are more silly examples, like the "Compound Text" encoding monstrosity, because the core design predates Unicode, and so on....In a nutshell, a major rework of what the X core protocol supports would be necessary.But then, you can *still* dislike a suggested solution. I think <a href="https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/tags/wayland" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#wayland</a> is taking the "simplicity" much too far, so now both compositors and clients (rendering windows) have to do the same stuff over and over again. It's a pointless exercise trying to create a wayland client without huge libraries (such as e.g. cairo for client-side rendering, better yet use a full-blown toolkit like Qt or GTK that already makes use of cairo), while this is perfectly possible for X.

Felix Palmen :freebsd: :c64:<a href="https://fosstodon.org/@peppe" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@peppe</a> Well, <a href="https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/tags/dwm" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#dwm</a> is a window manager. Then there's <a href="https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/tags/dwl" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#dwl</a>, which is a <a href="https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/tags/wayland" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#wayland</a> <a href="https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/tags/compositor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#compositor</a>, trying to do "functionally the same" as dwm. My point is, it has to implement a lot more stuff to do so.My favorite window manager is <a href="https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/tags/fvwm" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#fvwm</a> (or now <a href="https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/tags/fvwm3" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#fvwm3</a>), and as far as I know, its main developer was looking into wayland and currently doesn't have any concrete plans to work on that ... and I can perfectly understand. 😔

nickelson<a href="https://universeodon.com/@mp362" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@mp362</a> Try <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/voidlinux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#voidlinux</a> it's surprisingly stable despite being a rolling release :)Also if you want to keep xfce but at the same time have some fresh experience one option is to combine it with <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/labwc" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#labwc</a> and go full <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/wayland" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#wayland</a> (not for stability ofc :D ) <a href="https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/wayland_roadmap#testing" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/wayland_roadmap#testing</a>

Magitian<a href="https://social.linux.pizza/@nebucatnetzer" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@nebucatnetzer</a> slightly off-topic, but I switched away from <a href="https://fedia.social/tags/GNOME" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GNOME</a> to KDE <a href="https://fedia.social/tags/Plasma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Plasma</a>, since GNOME <a href="https://fedia.social/tags/Wayland" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Wayland</a> doesn't (?) support server-side decorations. I'd have switched to the GNOME <a href="https://fedia.social/tags/X11" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#X11</a> session, but I'd have lost workspace swiping and smooth scrolling.

Jeff Fortin T.After GNOME 48's dynamic double/triple buffering, what I'm really looking forward to see, eventually, is <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Mutter" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Mutter</a> being able to recover from GPU state resets: <a href="https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/3305" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/3305</a>On Linux, the open source AMDGPU graphics drivers in <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Mesa" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Mesa</a> are infamous for making everything lock up in your face like that.I'm just crossing my fingers and hoping this will happen by the time distros collectively ditch X11 in favor of <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Wayland" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Wayland</a>.<a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/FreeDesktop" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FreeDesktop</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Linux</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/AMDgpu" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#AMDgpu</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/GNOMEShell" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GNOMEShell</a>

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