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Let me tell you about the “boycott light”

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feddit.orgLet me tell you about the “boycott light” - feddit.orgLet me tell you about the “boycott light”: It is of course difficult to directly eliminate all American products and all American technology from your life. Smartphones are one technology in particular for which there is no real European alternative. And of course, in some cases Amazon is the only place where certain products are available or where certain products are significantly cheaper than elsewhere. Boycotting is hard, but there is a way to hurt them without hurting yourself. But: the big tech companies live from your “engagement”. The more time you spend on YouTube, TikTok, Twitter, Instagram or Facebook, the more advertising they can show you. And the more profitable you are for these companies. That’s why they rely on all these addiction mechanisms, because every minute you spend there is hard cash for the companies. This also applies to the eCommerce giants. PayPal collects a commission for every payment. Visa and Mastercard too. Amazon also takes its cut and so on. Every minute that you are not surfing Facebook but are on Lemmy, Mastodon, on other websites or even offline is a minute in which your engagement there drops and in which no profitable advertising can be shown to you. You can of course stop using those services completely and delete all accounts, but if that’s not possible, a partial boycott is also a good idea. If only one of your friend groups stays on Facebook and you move with the others, that’s less time spent there and therefore less profit for Zuckerberg. Your local football group wants to stay on WhatsApp, but you can move your friends to Signal? Less time spend in WhatsApp, KPIs are going down. And of course it’s hard when certain products are significantly cheaper on Amazon than in other stores. But if you compare prices before you buy and then buy many products elsewhere and don’t just go for the default Amazon, then that’s poison for Bezos pocket. If you simply select the other payment methods for stores and not PayPal by default, that attacks their business model. Does a store only have PayPal? Then you can of course do without the purchase completely, but: If you no longer use PayPal as the default, but only where it is absolutely necessary, then the KPIs at their HQ will be on fire. This also applies to other digital services: If you no longer use Google Search as your main search, but only as a backup when you haven’t found what you want in other search engines, then they will absolutly go nuts at Google HQ. If you use an Android phone but refuse to use the AI and all the cloud services, then that kills their engagement metrics and honestly: it doesn’t do you any harm. So: If you are unable to do a full boycott, a partial boycott is still an effective method of harming certain companies. Try to be as unprofitable as possible for you in your circumstances.
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neons

No. It has custom ROMs like calyxos that are degoogled but out of the box it itself isn’t degoogled.

Source: have installed calyxos on mine because of that reason

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Señor Mono

Kay. Running grapheneOS for that matter. Thought fairphone come cleansed, too… the more you know.

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Rene Raggl 🇪🇺 🇺🇦

@SrMono @neons Stock is indeed normal Google Android. But they really do make it easy to switch to Calyx or /e/OS and back.

Would love for @WeAreFairphone to also start offering a choice of OS, especially in the current geopolitical climate. #unplugtrump

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taketwo

@rraggl @SrMono @neons @WeAreFairphone
Keep in mind that you can only receive a google ready license for your device if you ship the google services by default.
Any other operating system must be installed by the user after purchase or by some other company that does it for them.
Where is the difference between Fairphone offering a google free OS to install post purchase or supporting the community around E or Calyx to make their version work on Fairphones?

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Rene Raggl 🇪🇺 🇺🇦

@taketwo @SrMono @neons @WeAreFairphone And offering the alternative OS would show many consumers that there ARE alternatives out there. Most ordinary people have never even heard about the things we are so casually discussing here.

Many just want to just use the device and wouldn't be able to flash ROMs etc. So many people are perfectly happy and fine if they know how to turn on their computer to watch YT, send mails, write letters and do their budget. We nerds tend to forget that.

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taketwo

@rraggl @SrMono @neons @WeAreFairphone
If you want to be able to sell your device with google services, you need to ship that rom by default.
So if Fairphone made a different image without GoogleServices, people would still have to install it on their own.
Your Problem with people that have trouble doing that, won't change a bit.

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Rene Raggl 🇪🇺 🇺🇦

@taketwo @SrMono @neons @WeAreFairphone why are you so insitent on Google Services? Who needs them? (Really) Have been living without them for 4+ years and everything works just fine.

taketwo

@rraggl @SrMono @neons @WeAreFairphone
I am not, but the realityis that other people want to use them or apps relying on them and therefore device manufacturers that want to sell devices outside our little nerd bubble are more or less forced to offer them by default.

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Rene Raggl 🇪🇺 🇺🇦

@taketwo @SrMono @neons @WeAreFairphone So basically we are both arguing to make the same point from different angles. 🤣

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