Mr_Teatime @Mr_Teatime@social.tchncs.de

@ulrichkelber
Ich frage mich, was für rechtliche Konsequenzen der Umstand, dass die Facebook-API auf Android-Telefonen massenhaft Daten von nicht-Mitgliedern an Facebook sendet (ohne Zutun der Nutzer!), in Deutschland hat. Die Haftungsfrage ist sicher haarig, aber für mich sieht es aus, als dürfte sowas derzeit in der EU unter keinen Umständen erlaubt sein, und ein Versehen von Facebook kann's ja auch nicht wirklich gewesen sein ...
https://privacyinternational.org/campaigns/investigating-apps-interactions-facebook-android

Technical jargon: It works!
https://www.futilitycloset.com/2019/02/10/the-dr-fox-effect/
(watch the video before reading the article)

Alright, I did not want to start a spat over whose country is "better". I can find both terrible and amazing things about both England and Germany, and I think I've lived in both for long enough to have an opinion.
What I was trying to do was to actually understand where the British infatuation with surveillance comes from.

I don't think it's rational but I think there must be a rational explanation for it.

To any Germans feeling smug because the Brits are so surveillance-happy: Compared to Britain, Germany is a cesspool of racism, prejudice and intolerance. Germany "debates" whether customer-facing employees should be permitted to wear hijabs, but here they're cometely normal. The tolerance for different cultures here is amazing and would give the Bavarian government a collective heart attack.

Germany has tons of things to learn from Britain.

...only the surveillance thing creeps me out.

All sarkasm aside: Most Brits seem to be completely fine with stuff that I find Orwellian/Kafkaesque: Cameras everywhere, no insurance against misuse (other than promises by politicians), whenever I mention encryption, people look at me like I'm a terrorist. Almost nobody knows or cares about Snowden (except he is "controversial"), GCHQ's crimes legalized after the fact, home office not having to explain their decisions... Can someone explain why people are fine with that?

Seriously, what is it about England (or all of Great Britain?) That people have this almost mythical belief that privacy is incompatible with security (and therefore must be sacrificed)
@aral can expose surveillance and preach about it all he wants, if people believe it was fundamentally a good thing, and "how the internet works", and privacy was only about protecting criminals, it's pretty much a lost cause.

Not having privacy is incompatible with Democracy.

...I actually was at a nightclub once that scanned each guest's ID and took a picture of their faces. It was an LGBTQ* (but not only) place, and being British apparently believed that that (plus a shit-ton of security guards) would make the place "safer".

That did not work for me. Surveillance scares me, and putting rainbow on those guards only marginally improved it.

Also, what kind of place has tons of crazy dressed-up queer folk but doesn't allow hats?

Just watching this, from #35C3:
https://invidio.us/watch?v=y0vlD7r-kTc

So apparently there's currently no way to include the Facebook SDK, legally within the EU, at least not without some nontrivial tricks.
The correct consequence should be to force app providers to remove it unless it is demonstrated to be "clean". But for that, we'd need to have some government institutions who both care and have some leverage.