ActivityPub Overview updated. I added GNUsocial and a cc by-sa license. 🙂
@mray I appreciate the spirit, but the slogan has serious "Let me interject for a moment. What some call Linux..." vibes, which I'm not sure is intended
@hisham_hm It is. There is a vague notion out there that you can be part of the "Fediverse" but not speak ActivityPub (e.g. Diaspora). I support a definition of "Fediverse" that directly ties to that protocol. Not doing so would mean we were all in the "Fediverse" since the 70's, rendering the fresh vibes that come with the words usage basically meaningless.
Lets face it: email, XMPP, Matrix,... are all open, de-central AWESOMENESS! But they remain their own thing.
That's my spirit.
@mray Got it. It's a fair argument (though I hear there are bridges between different protocols?)
Just wanted to check if you're aware that the RMS-like tone does turn off a lot of people, which may or may not be the intention for an advocacy piece. GNU supporters haven't been good at outreaching beyond their own audience for a while now, so not sure if it's a good pattern to follow.
@mray @hisham_hm While I support the narrow definition of "Fediverse" (I think "two Fedi software can always talk to each other" is a useful thing to be able to say), this image... is not how I would push it.
I'd be OK if this is on a page introducing APub to an audience who knows what Fedi is, but I don't think it conveys the intended message anywhere else.
@MrsMouse I didn't realize, too. That's why it wasn't there initially. But seems like there is a plugin that does the trick. 😋
@ueberlegend The wordpress site needs to have the plugin up and running. Don't know what it does though. I assume comments and following blogposts?
@richmccue Mattermost is nice, but it seems they don't speak ActivityPub 😐 . There basically is no way to connect to any project shown in the infographic. That's why I wouldn't consider them to be "Fediverse".
@mray This is the first I've heard of Bookwyrm, but I like the idea. Are there ways to import data from Goodreads onto it? (Unfortunately, as a writer I have to maintain a GR profile, to monitor my reputation... but I don't like it.)
@Corfiot I know you can make a point that email (for example) is "fediverse", too. But that's the whole point of the image: To the degree it can be right – it is meaningless. Only ActivityPub is the federated superglue that connects different types of instances in a meaningful way.
In my eyes the whole idea behind "Fediverse" is the ability to go beyond the boundaries of your immediate network and reach out to others.
@Corfiot By meaningless I mean that technically many protocols (like email) may be open, federated, and generally awesome. But if you go with that interpretation everybody with a mail address joined the "Fediverse" even before the web was a thing, and there is literally nothing noteworthy about it.
In my eyes "Fediverse" isn't just a high-level concept but something tangible, in the sense of people being able to actually put the concept to use. AP is the only thing that seems to do that today.
@Corfiot We seem to be on the same page. AP does what email did, but on steroids. That makes it go from cool to super cool. "Fediverse" is just a buzzword that tries to cover that and isn't exclusively applicable to AP – we know there can be a successor that tops it again!
I'm just not ok with other projects (Matrix, XMPP, Diaspora,...) pointing out that "coolness", too, by referring to what email did back then. When actually AP is the hot shit because it federates Federation.
@Corfiot I put up that image because I wasn't happy with another one I saw. Nobody can claim to know the correct meaning of "Fediverse", right? So what you see is my interpretation. I'm not distorting.
Being hardworking to educate people to understand complex things happening since the 90s wasn't what I was going for with that image. (email is from the 70's btw)
Step on a soapbox and shout to the world how we have been "Fedizens" since 1971 – if you think that does decentralization a favor.
@Corfiot I agree that words have meaning. So how do you define "Fediverse" - and how do you know your definition is correct?
My image is supposed to help people to understand that the real awesomeness everybody is talking about these days ("Fediverse") only unfolds when projects talk AP - other wise it is plain, old, awesome, "boring" federation.
I want people on Mastodon to know that they can't follow people on Diaspora if it does not support AP.
@Corfiot Sure, if you think AP is like any other federation, and "Fediverse" does not necessarily mean it is possible to reach each other in there – that's fine. I guess?🤷♂️
I think "Fediverse" assumes reachability not only as an abstract underlying concept. And I see AP federates federation in a way no other protocol does.
So I do claim Diaspora isn't part of the "Fediverse" and I don't know on what basis you can prove me wrong. That's why I don't even like the term "Fediverse".
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