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Tantek ÇelikSomething I wrote in the W3C Authentic Web Mini Workshop’s Zoom chat: Another implicit assumption (flaw) that is often a part of "purely technical solutions" is the neglect or ignorance (innocent naïveté) of existing technical solutions. A technical proposal should not be praised for what it claims to solve. A technical proposal must be evaluated by what marginal difference or advantage does it provide over existing technologies. Any technical proposal that ignores prior technologies is itself doomed to be ignored by the next technical proposal. In addition to the slide presentations (links to come) in the mini workshop and Zoom verbal discussion which was minuted (link to come), there was a lot of very interesting discussion in the Zoom chat, which was not minuted. Sometimes such quick back & forth can help inspire summarizing of points which one had not previously written down. I was encouraged by a fellow workshop participant to blog this one so here it is! <a class="" href="https://indieweb.social/tags/W3C" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#W3C</a> <a class="" href="https://indieweb.social/tags/credweb" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#credweb</a> <a class="" href="https://indieweb.social/tags/credibleWeb" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#credibleWeb</a> <a class="" href="https://indieweb.social/tags/authenticWeb" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#authenticWeb</a> <a class="" href="https://indieweb.social/tags/technology" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#technology</a> <a class="" href="https://indieweb.social/tags/technical" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#technical</a> <a class="" href="https://indieweb.social/tags/proposal" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#proposal</a> <a class="" href="https://indieweb.social/tags/technicalProposal" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#technicalProposal</a> <a class="" href="https://indieweb.social/tags/history" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#history</a>

Tantek ÇelikI just participated in the first W3C Authentic Web Mini Workshop<a href="https://tantek.com/2025/071/t1/w3c-authentic-web-workshop-flaws#t5az1_note-1" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">¹</a> hosted by the Credible Web Community Group<a href="https://tantek.com/2025/071/t1/w3c-authentic-web-workshop-flaws#t5az1_note-2" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">²</a> (of which I’m a longtime member) and up front I noted that our very discussion itself needed to be careful about its own credibility, extra critical of any technologies discussed or assertions made, and initially identified two flaws to avoid on a meta level, having seen them occur many times in technical or standards discussions: 1. Politician’s Syllogism — "Something must be done about this problem. Here is something, let's do it!" 2. Solutions Looking For Problems — "I am interested in how tech X can solve problem Y" After some back and forth and arguments in the Zoom chat, I observed participants questioning speakers of arguments rather than the arguments themselves, so I had to identify a third fallacy to avoid: 3. Ad Hominem — while obvious examples are name-calling (which is usually against codes of conduct), less obvious examples (witnessed in the meeting) include questioning a speaker’s education (or lack thereof) like what they have or have not read, or would benefit from reading. I am blogging these here both as a reminder (should you choose to participate in such discussions), and as a resource to cite in future discussions. We need to all develop expertise in recognizing these logical and methodological flaws & fallacies, and call them out when we see them, especially when used against others. We need to promptly prune these flawed methods of discussion, so we can focus on actual productive, relevant, and yes, credible discussions. <a class="" href="https://indieweb.social/tags/W3C" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#W3C</a> <a class="" href="https://indieweb.social/tags/credweb" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#credweb</a> <a class="" href="https://indieweb.social/tags/credibleWeb" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#credibleWeb</a> <a class="" href="https://indieweb.social/tags/authenticWeb" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#authenticWeb</a> <a class="" href="https://indieweb.social/tags/flaw" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#flaw</a> <a class="" href="https://indieweb.social/tags/fallacy" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#fallacy</a> <a class="" href="https://indieweb.social/tags/fallacies" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#fallacies</a> <a class="" href="https://indieweb.social/tags/logicalFallacy" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#logicalFallacy</a> <a class="" href="https://indieweb.social/tags/logicalFallacies" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#logicalFallacies</a> Glossary Ad Hominem   attacking an attribute of the person making an argument rather than the argument itself   <a class="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem</a> Politician's syllogism   <a class="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politician%27s_syllogism" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politician%27s_syllogism</a> Solutions Looking For Problems (related: <a class="" href="https://indieweb.social/tags/solutionism" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#solutionism</a>, <a class="" href="https://indieweb.social/tags/solutioneering" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#solutioneering</a>)   Promoting a technology that either has not identified a real problem for it to solve, or actively pitching a specific technology to any problem that seems related. Wikipedia has no page on this but has two related pages:   * <a class="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_the_instrument" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_the_instrument</a>   * <a class="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_fix" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_fix</a>   Wikipedia does have an essay on this specific to Wikipedia:   * <a class="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Solutions_looking_for_a_problem" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Solutions_looking_for_a_problem</a>   Stack Exchange has a thread on "solution in search of a problem":   * <a class="" href="https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/250320/a-word-that-means-a-solution-in-search-of-a-problem" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/250320/a-word-that-means-a-solution-in-search-of-a-problem</a>   Forbes has an illustrative anecdote:     * <a class="" href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/stephanieburns/2019/05/28/solution-looking-for-a-problem/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.forbes.com/sites/stephanieburns/2019/05/28/solution-looking-for-a-problem/</a> References <a href="https://tantek.com/2025/071/t1/w3c-authentic-web-workshop-flaws#t5az1_ref-1" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">¹</a> <a class="" href="https://www.w3.org/events/workshops/2025/authentic-web-workshop/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.w3.org/events/workshops/2025/authentic-web-workshop/</a> <a href="https://tantek.com/2025/071/t1/w3c-authentic-web-workshop-flaws#t5az1_ref-2" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">²</a> <a class="" href="https://credweb.org/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://credweb.org/</a> and <a class="" href="https://www.w3.org/community/credibility/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.w3.org/community/credibility/</a> Previously in 2019 I participated in <a class="" href="https://indieweb.social/tags/MisinfoCon:" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MisinfoCon:</a> * <a class="" href="https://tantek.com/2019/296/t1/london-misinfocon-discuss-spectrum-recency" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://tantek.com/2019/296/t1/london-misinfocon-discuss-spectrum-recency</a> * <a class="" href="https://tantek.com/2019/296/t2/misinfocon-roundtable-spectrums-misinformation" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://tantek.com/2019/296/t2/misinfocon-roundtable-spectrums-misinformation</a>

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