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'We live in a world where everyone is lying'? Welcome to the world of en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liar_par
#paradox #TheGuardian #logic

AdeptVeritatis

@foldworks

My solution to the liars paradox is geometry. Especially topology.

A liars paradox is just a linguistic Möbius strip. It has only one side and only looks like having more.
If you follow one path, you will realize it.

The >>whole<< object is a lie.

@AdeptVeritatis
Isn't language as a whole a Möbius strip?

@maris @AdeptVeritatis Arthur Prior's resolution the the Liar Paradox is plausible en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liar_par

"His claim (which he attributes to Charles Sanders Peirce and John Buridan) is that every statement includes an implicit assertion of its own truth. [e.g.] the statement 'It is true that two plus two equals four' contains no more information than the statement 'two plus two equals four',... in the self-referential spirit of the Liar Paradox, the phrase 'it is true that...' is equivalent to 'this whole statement is true and ..'.

Thus the following two statements are equivalent:
This statement is false.
This statement is true and this statement is false.

The latter is a simple contradiction of the form 'A and not A', and hence is false. Therefore, there is no paradox..."

en.wikipedia.orgLiar paradox - Wikipedia

@foldworks @AdeptVeritatis
I think there can't be real Truth in language.

@maris @foldworks

Science is the realm of concepts and models, describing perceived reality. They postulate an idea, do measurements in experiments and verify their models. The propositional calculus is more or less part of linguistics. The logic of true and false.

Truth is the realm of . The look to the inside. The closer you come to truth, the harder it will be to find words for it.

@maris @foldworks

(Philosophy is not to mix with science about philosophy. Philosophy doesn't know science. But that is just my idea.)

@foldworks @maris

Thanks. I didn't dig that deep into existing resolutions. But this one is really good.

So in a world, where everyone is lying, a false AND false is still a false.

Nothing to twist our brains around and get confused.

@maris

Not really.

Strings of characters have an orientation. The space of language should have orientability.

But it is not perfect, as languages evolved naturally. This can lead to a couple of situations, where the meaning can change into the opposite, if elements are mirrored.

Or some non-orientable glitches like the liars paradox.

(just my guess)