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Ich bin schwer verwundert, dass #Skylight, der TikTok-Klon auf #ATProto, anscheinend Alpha-Stadium erreicht hat ist und nicht nur ein Money Grab ist, aber wir werden noch sehen.
Das ganze Gelaber von "unbannable" ist aber Unfug. Sie laufen auf dem Relay von Bluesky. Wo sie ihre Videos hosten – keine Ahnung.

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Federation means very little, can it somewhat be a game of cat and mouse if the government is incompetent or doesn’t care much. But, it’s nothing to apply harassment and significant amounts of pressure on server admins, these are real people with real life’s & friends and families. There’s also the great firewall of China which many know how problematic that is. It’s also trivial for governments to apply pressure to ISPs and server providers. Federation isn’t some silver bullet, nor are people immune to anxiety due to threads by people in power. But, keep pointing your fingers and pretending the #fediverse is so much more resilient. We’re seeing governments and corporations with resources to stand up to the Trump administration bend to his will. #Musk and #Trump are extremely petty people and there’s nothing stoping them if they wanted to turn their attention towards Bluesky and the Fediverse. #fedi #atproto #bluesky #Mastodon

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If your server disappeared tomorrow with no ability to export your follower graph, how would you rebuild it?

If you do a server move, what happens to your post history?


Widespread adoption of Nomadic Identity, if it ever happens, may help with this.

I am sure you already know this, but for other readers, these two 2017 articles explain how Nomadic Identity works in Hubzilla, which is based on the Nomad/Zot protocol.

#^https://medium.com/@tamanning/nomadic-identity-brought-to-you-by-hubzilla-67eadce13c3b
#^https://medium.com/@tamanning/getting-started-with-nomadic-identity-how-to-create-a-personal-channel-on-hubzilla-7d9666a428b

Mike Macgirvin recently got Nomadic Identity working on ActivityPub too.

#^https://fediversity.site/item/b69ce5a0-0c22-4933-8393-dce7100f4584

Unfortunately, the ActivityPub world keeps pretending that Mike Macgirvin and his work does not exist (Nomadic Identity has been around and working in Hubzilla for roughly a decade).

There's also OpenWebAuth (Federated Single Sign On). As Sean Tilley explains in this March 2024 article, Nomadic Identity and OpenWebAuth together can enable network resilience, censorship resistance, and ease of migration.

#^https://wedistribute.org/2024/03/activitypub-nomadic-identity/

No idea whether Nomadic Identity, OpenWebAuth, conversation containers, etc. will ever get widespread adoption. At present, the user base of software such as Hubzilla, Forte etc. (which have these features) is negligible. And at least in case of Hubzilla (which I am using), the UI and UX needs a lot of work; don't know about Forte (which is based on ActivityPub).

And yes, all the other problems with the Fediverse that you listed will still remain. At this point, I doubt if the Fedi will ever become socially and politically relevant.

#ActivityPub #ATProto #Nomad #Zot #NomadicIdentity #OpenWebAuth #Fediverse
Medium · Nomadic identity, brought to you by Hubzilla - Andrew Manning - MediumBy Andrew Manning
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@jplebreton its a good collection of criticisms, but not even scratching the surface of the problems across what we might call #opensource alternatives to big adtech. #Mastodon, #activitypub, #bluesky, #atproto etc. are not remotely polished "end states", they are the beginning of the beginning. In practically all ways: architecture, funding models, user interfaces and functionality these are just early proof-of-principle platforms. Overly aggressive positions simply reveal digital illiteracy.

"Well if they were TRULY DECENTRALIZED like we are…"

Oh really.

We're "truly decentralized" in a meaningful, user-relevant sense here?

Exactly how do you figure?

Half the time when I click a link for a post it takes me to a server that may not even _load_ properly or that looks like it was designed in 2010.

If your server disappeared tomorrow with no ability to export your follower graph, how would you rebuild it?

If you do a server move, what happens to your post history?

If you want to exercise a right to be forgotten in the fediverse, what does that look like?

I'm not even getting into the fiasco that is _domain blocking_ here.

_Ask critical questions of the things you love_

Gods I hate commentary like this. Like, seriously now, an _iota_ of self reflection. Please. I'm begging you.

What do you do if your host instance is down _here_, exactly?

A robustness analysis could be a valuable exercise, but this seriously isn't it.

Every platform fails, even those you have control over. This is why I stick to the timeless advice of using social media to build a newsletter list I can export even if the provider tosses me.

FWIW I've lost more connections on the fediverse than I ever did on Twitter and expect to on Bluesky/AT.

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@mbajur the #atproto docs are a full spec, #activitypub leaves a lot as "implementation details".

They likely serve fairly different use cases but unfortunately a comprehensive analysis is missing.

My gut feeling, activitypub will be the one dominating highly tailored communities, while atproto more large public forums